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« on: January 03, 2012, 01:22:21 AM »

Hi people

I was working within the window cleaning trade a few years back. I had a wfp system and always had niggly problems with it (system from Cleantech in Kilmarnock). Anyway I am looking to get back into the game and was looking at new systems. There seems to be quite a few companies dealing with systems these days so any advice from you guys would be well appreciated. I have had a glimpse at the thermopure by Ionics and have to admit...I am quite tempted. Obviously it's pretty damn expensive so if I can get a similar reliable system for a fraction of the price....that would be ideal. From research I've done....Purefreedom or Brodex seem to be solid options out there. I'm looking for a 600-650ltr tank and with heater fitted. Also I was wondering how you guys are finding it with increasing your customer base with the tough economic conditions out there. Is it still quite a profitable industry?
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 01:28:40 AM »

Also as far as I know Ionics send out somebody to fix/service your system if there any problems etc. If I were to get a system from Purefreedom and say there were problems...would I have to make a long journey from Glasgow to Grimbsy to get things sorted? Ionics also have a service/fitting centre in Kircaldy, Fife which is not that far from me.
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 02:02:33 AM »

i've never dealt with any so can't give a personal opinion.
regarding ionics, i've heard that they are way overpriced, and like with cars, some of the stuff is re-badged (again, so i've read somewhere on here, could'nt clarify myself) but a few say there good
brodex-seems a 50-50 split with them half like half don't
purefreedom-seem to get the best feedback on here, seem the best rated of the 3
for what it's worth for the most part it's much of a muchness, if the water is pure, the only really significant factors that affect the results is the brush itself and how you do the job, hope it helps, probably be better when a few folk with first hand exp with them post
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 02:05:02 AM »

To make your money back with the ionics you would have to be charging high prices to make it pay plus they also cost a lot off money to maintain
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 02:54:10 AM »

Thanks for the speedy responses guys. Chip- you're are right about Ionics....they do seem very expensive. Approx £10k for a 650ltr thermopure. I reckon a similar Purefreedom system would be half that cost. From what I've heard/read, Purefreedom are a very good option....good gear and at a reasonable price.
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 02:57:33 AM »

If you still have your initial cleantech system - you could probably upgrade it to a heated system from Peter. I believe the systems were nearly identical.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 03:01:59 AM »

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If you still have your initial cleantech system - you could probably upgrade it to a heated system from Peter. I believe the systems were nearly identical.

Unfortunately I sold the equipment off a few years back. It was actually not a bad system....I believe it was one of the first hot water systems that Cleantech had done so there was a few teething problems.
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2012, 12:49:28 PM »

I have had a brodex system. A 650lt system do machine. Honestly they really are good and reliable with a good after sales service.

In my opinion Ionics are over priced but a more advanced system. Still the same job though.

There are a lot of DIY systems but I would stay away my self
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 08:47:12 PM »

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Thanks for the speedy responses guys. Chip- you're are right about Ionics....they do seem very expensive. Approx £10k for a 650ltr thermopure. I reckon a similar Purefreedom system would be half that cost. From what I've heard/read, Purefreedom are a very good option....good gear and at a reasonable price.

I'll sort you out with a brand new 650 ltr system for £5000  Shocked
And bag myself a nice little profit  Wink
   
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2012, 10:07:19 AM »

are u the best
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2012, 02:32:47 PM »

Just have a look at my vids and save yourself a pile of cash. Do you REALLY need a van system. I am as fast as virtually anyone with my DIY trolley system. All it really boils down to is a battery and a pump. Iv'e been using the same system for years and it's light and simple.
I DO know the difference since I originally bought a Freedom trolley system which was good but heavy. When I realised how simple it was and there was nothing mythical about it all, I built all my own stuff which is quite easy if you put your mind to it. Just click on my link at the bottom of this post or go to Wagga's Video's on the video section of this forum.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2012, 03:15:03 PM »

I'm with wagga there is nothing to it for a van mount a tank a pump a reel and a battery simples and not much can go wrong. filtration either di only into tank or ro then di into tank. if you need a hot system fit a fog wash . you will save thousands.
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2012, 06:10:30 PM »

i recently purchased set up  wfp gear, ive kept di, resin, poles.  my idea is to get wcw backpack.     i have cable and reel,  shurflopump + digi varistream connected togeather just took off van setup on sale.,     i have an estate      are these all i need to set up to a small tank of water,    what battery and how much,. would i need  to power it.       ive only enough work p/time @ moment.   id try making a trolley system but not confident enough with components yet.      teesside 
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 08:02:38 PM »

ive a challenge for you two,    if i supp :-*lied the gear would one of you  help me do a trolley setup  to get me a good setup to get into wfp cleaning Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 09:24:01 PM »

All you need to start with is a WCW backpack, some pole hose, a trigger, a DI, some barrels, a pole (Harris from B&Q £15) an angle adapter, a brush (light weight), some Shrader Connectors and a TDS meter. You get a charger with the backpack.

Do all the bottom windows traditionally if possible because the backpack will not have enough capacity to do the whole lot without running out too quickly. Personally I would also advise doing this even with a trolley system. It's no big deal, saves water and can sometimes be quicker.

Use about 20 metres of pole hose from the back pack to you pole. At first, just wrap it around the shopping trolley/sack truck handles that you set up to carry the back pack. Fix it on with bungees.

Make sure you check the water in your area to see if you can get away with a DI or will need a RO system.

If you got time, trawl through my vids. If I forgot something, sorry but this is basically the set up and will go into your estate dead easy. I got pics of my set up in a hatch back and have no intentions of changing.

Of course if you end up with a massive round with loads of commercial then you will progress to the equipment you will need for that naturally having gained the experience on the way.

If you really need any practical help, just let me know and you can come over and we'll knock out a system in an afternoon.
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 09:38:17 PM »

am i right in thinking a diy trolley set up is more superior  with powerfull shurflo pump ,battery etc than a backpack, using a 25 litre drum on trolley. new price of PF trolley too expensive. i mean by using above pump + varistream + battery + microbore around handle for added lengh if needed
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