staybright
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« on: October 06, 2011, 09:33:08 PM » |
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Hi all, after being made redundant I decided to try my hand at window cleanong which i did for a while many years ago. Ive canvassed around 5 days and have managed to get 48 customers. I had a problem today when i was doing this 6 bed house, when i went around the edges with cloth the rubber around the window sort of smudged black all over the upvc frames when i tried ot cleanit it just semd to get worse. it took me ages to make it ok. i want happy witht he frames but I didnt do anythink different than i have all week. why would this happen?
thanks in advance
Kev
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ESCORTTDI
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 10:12:03 PM » |
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w f p stops all that nonsence
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2011, 10:41:24 PM » |
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its a black paint that the window companies put on the rubbers, dont worry to much just wipe it off and try not to go near it no much  |
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staybright
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2011, 10:47:29 PM » |
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How come you dont have this problem with WFP then?
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karlosdaze
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 12:12:24 AM » |
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its a black paint that the window companies put on the rubbers, dont worry to much just wipe it off and try not to go near it no much I always thought it was the rubber seal degrading, especially from sunlight. It's a common problem over here. I use the scrim & a wash usually gets most of it out. I used to detail with a scraper to save the cloth, but it was too time consuming. |
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2011, 02:30:56 PM » |
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its a black paint that the window companies put on the rubbers, dont worry to much just wipe it off and try not to go near it no much I always thought it was the rubber seal degrading, especially from sunlight. It's a common problem over here. I use the scrim & a wash usually gets most of it out. I used to detail with a scraper to save the cloth, but it was too time consuming. yes that is what I thought as well as it is usually on older windows. just wipe the frames before it dries and it usually cleans up easily. |
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karlosdaze
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2011, 11:08:00 PM » |
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And whatever you do - don't get the black on the white UPVC frame - otherwise you'll have a whole new can of worms.
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Son of wagga
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 11:48:00 PM » |
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Just wipe the sill and be done with the window, you are a window cleaner, not a painter and decorator, haha. But in all seriousness, as long as the window is clean and the sill it clean, most customers don't even look at the frames of the window, it is a waste of time cleaning them, it slows you down and at the end of the day, makes you lose money.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 06:04:42 PM » |
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One of the reasons you get black marks are a deterioration of the rubber seals, Soap and water add to the issue! WFP is not harmful to rubber therefore no black runs.
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They cant kill us or make us pregnant!
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Properjob
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2011, 07:17:20 PM » |
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Son of Wagga.
I don't agree.
Frames are important. We are window cleaners not glass cleaners.
Customers expect a complete job not half a job.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2011, 11:01:50 PM » |
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Just wipe the sill and be done with the window, you are a window cleaner, not a painter and decorator, haha. But in all seriousness, as long as the window is clean and the sill it clean, most customers don't even look at the frames of the window, it is a waste of time cleaning them, it slows you down and at the end of the day, makes you lose money.
Utter utter nonsense.....sorry. Im forever picking up new jobs as the old windie never touched the frames. Plus if you leave the frame dirty, the rain will wash dirt all over you nice clean windows...der! |
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 04:05:32 PM » |
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yeah completly agree with stoked and properjob, all of the window should be cleaned not just the bit you think the customer might notice. I think this brings you back to the other thread on here of how many of you do a proper job? to me thats like being paid to wash someone's car but dont bother to clean the wheels  |
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davesharp
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2011, 09:40:04 PM » |
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Just wipe the sill and be done with the window, you are a window cleaner, not a painter and decorator, haha. But in all seriousness, as long as the window is clean and the sill it clean, most customers don't even look at the frames of the window, it is a waste of time cleaning them, it slows you down and at the end of the day, makes you lose money.
I AGREE |
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k j
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2011, 10:47:32 PM » |
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I strongly agree , you must clean the frames . you surely don't leave them dirty and covered in cobwebs 
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2011, 11:12:19 AM » |
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I will clean the frames........ if they pay me. On my round, 99% of customers just have their glass and sills cleaned and they are happy with that. How do i know? Because I give them the choice to have frames cleaned from the beginning with a simple charge of double. So a £4 house becomes £10 with frames etc. Nearly all dont bother with frames through their own choice, and others bother as and when it suits them. The customer is allways right |
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2011, 11:14:07 AM » |
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jimmyboots
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2011, 11:18:21 AM » |
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About the black seals degrading though I do find them a pain. I have found that this mostly happens on the council house windows in my area. Must be something to do with rubber used to make those type of windows.
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davesharp
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2011, 10:55:43 PM » |
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Just wipe the sill and be done with the window, you are a window cleaner, not a painter and decorator, haha. But in all seriousness, as long as the window is clean and the sill it clean, most customers don't even look at the frames of the window, it is a waste of time cleaning them, it slows you down and at the end of the day, makes you lose money.
Utter utter nonsense.....sorry. Im forever picking up new jobs as the old windie never touched the frames. Plus if you leave the frame dirty, the rain will wash dirt all over you nice clean windows...der! Utter utter dung I'v been cleaning windows for over 25 years never lost a customer because i never cleaned the frames lmao |
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Craig McNeil
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2011, 05:52:18 PM » |
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I with the frame cleaners. If you're using WFP then it's hardly hard work... The number of customers I've picked up because the previous window cleaner never touched the frames is unreal.
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davesharp
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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2011, 10:33:21 PM » |
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I with the frame cleaners. If you're using WFP then it's hardly hard work... The number of customers I've picked up because the previous window cleaner never touched the frames is unreal.
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Craig McNeil
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2011, 05:41:04 PM » |
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See those words below your name on the left? It says scrim boy for you, WFP Master for me. 'nuff said |
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Properjob
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2011, 07:27:02 PM » |
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I have picked up work because I have been seen to clean the frames. My father always did, so I just continued to do so.
Recently a customer was boasting to a visiting friend.
VF. Look at your window cleaner, cleaning all the frames.
C. I know I told you I had a good one.
VF. Mine is a lazy devil and can't be bothered.
VF. (to Me) Do you go to Tiverton?
ME. Yes every 6 weeks.
VF. Ok I will cancell the other guy, and bring out my address in a few minutes.
This new job was priced at £30. I clean it every 6 weeks. Well worth cleaning frames I think.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2011, 08:02:30 PM » |
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obviously WFP , at those rates, which is much easier to do than trad, so thats the least you can do at that price.....
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jimmyboots
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2011, 09:31:37 PM » |
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£30....  ...£30.... ... Man I would lick those windows and frames clean for that price  |
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Properjob
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2011, 09:35:32 PM » |
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Lol,
No it's trad.
but it's clearly no 3 bed semi. It's an out in sticks, country cottage.
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