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« on: July 31, 2011, 09:15:06 AM » |
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Wagtails seem to be the combination tool that is most often talked about lately.
Does anyone own both a wagtail and an ettore backflip and in which situations (if any) would the backflip be the preferred choice?
I am not sure which to purchase as although the wagtail is popular I can see the backflip being very useful.
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mikes window cleaning
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2011, 10:49:18 AM » |
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i use a back flip every day for the door above the door only and its on a pole bit heavy if you usung it all day by hand i suggest you buy a wagtail flipper  not the swoop  |
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2011, 08:23:01 PM » |
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The Flipper is best. The Backflip has a number of issues which make it a lot slower than the Wagtail. I was going to do a review of this type of tool but I don't like being negative about things.
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karlosdaze
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 12:13:06 AM » |
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I've hardly used any of my backflips. I used to use the squeegee just for the angle of the handle (similar to Wagtail) - but now use Wagtail 95% of the time.
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45south
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 07:01:39 AM » |
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Thanks Guys,
So which wagtail would be best for residential inside poling?
I was thinking a Whirlwind 12" with the blue pad.
Is the green pad more aggressive than the blue?
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wagga
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 10:46:44 PM » |
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I don't like the blue or green pads and I don't think there is much in it. I think they are too bulky in an attempt to get them to hold more water. I like the orange pads that you can still get from Windowcleaning warehouse. If you are doing some inside work, a 12" might be too small. It all depends on the size of windows you do. I use a 12" most of the time for domestic but for shops its 18". Its easier to pole with a 12" though.
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karlosdaze
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 10:44:05 PM » |
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Thanks Guys,
So which wagtail would be best for residential inside poling?
I was thinking a Whirlwind 12" with the blue pad.
Is the green pad more aggressive than the blue?
Thanks
I don't think you get a choice of microfibre pads, green & blue are very similar anyhow. Inside poleing - I'd go for the yellow pad, gets in all the corners & lighter, probably less dripping. Whirlwind is still one of my favourites - check out the combi: You are not allowed to view links.
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45south
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 01:20:26 AM » |
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It seems that the minimum size for the whirlwind is 14"
As I am close to 100% residential including a lot of insides, a 12" suits me best.
So the 12" Slimline Blue Ribbon with the yellow pad looks the best option.
Also, has anyone tried modifying a strip washer sleeve such as an ettore porcupine to fit the wagtails?
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karlosdaze
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 11:20:47 AM » |
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1.It seems that the minimum size for the whirlwind is 14"
As I am close to 100% residential including a lot of insides, a 12" suits me best.
2.So the 12" Slimline Blue Ribbon with the yellow pad looks the best option.
3.Also, has anyone tried modifying a strip washer sleeve such as an ettore porcupine to fit the wagtails?
1. Use your own other channels in the blue ribbon range. The channel slides out - replace it with your own regular channel. 2. You can also cut the pad down. 3. Yep, tried all sorts, many others have as well. The biggest problem is not the pad but the water holding ability. Hence the new hip dipper. You can try spraying the window with a small pump-up spray or bottle on a belt, this solves the problem instead of constant dipping in a bucket. |
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wagga
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 05:41:36 PM » |
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I agree with Karl, its a case of water application rather than water retention.
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2011, 01:21:49 PM » |
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Regarding this business about water/solution retention,Chris ( Wagga)
Have you personally thought perhaps that you could possibly do with
More solution on your pad when you are soaping up with your D.IY.
Version of your `combi`?
I know perhaps this should go onto the `combi` thread`as it is`nt to do
With the Ettore Back-Flip.
In general I find with really `cruddy`window glass ya need bags of solution
On your pad.
Lewis Doubtfire
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wagga
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2011, 05:02:37 PM » |
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Hi Lewis, yes I find I could do with a wetter pad at times, but it's rare. All I do is really wet the pad for a particularly dirty window and I find its enough. You just increase the frequency of wetting it. Only takes about two seconds to squirt a bit onto the pad or even onto say patio doors or shop windows directly then just move it around with the pad.
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2011, 10:34:23 PM » |
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On the subject of Wagtails, i use a 18" with its original whirlwind pad, and a 14" with a made up pad from lidl (white with blue stripes running through). 2 pads can be made from 1 lidl pad.
The lidl pad holds around 6 or more times the amount of water than the proper whirlwind pad. It is not quite as abrasive but is brilliant for water retention and holds the water without much drip.
The reason I changed the pad in the first place was because of velcro issues but since finding a solution, with hair clips, I have not put the original back on because I,m so pleased with it. It also looks like a proper applicator pad.
I guess what I,m saying is look around and experiment a little, there are a few good alternatives about.
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45south
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2011, 12:39:38 AM » |
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I have had the wagtail 12" flipper for a couple of weeks now and it is brilliant.
Great for pole work especially with the angle adapter in the non ledger position.
I do find the handle a little uncomfortable to use for low work, it seems to strain the wrists a little.
I wish I had purchased one a lot earlier.
Thanks for the advise guys.
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