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« on: November 25, 2011, 12:14:51 AM » |
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How do you go about swilling your applicator when working through the day with just a bottle? I,ve thought about using a bottle myself but I dont think I could cope without swilling my applicator/ wagtail/ in a bucket with plenty of water every 1 or 2 houses. I do a lot of work thats done every 2 weeks as well as monthly so I can keep my work fairly clean, but by dinner time my water is starting to get dirty. So I was wondering whether those of you who use bottles have dirty applicators by the end of a day, or am I missing something
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 12:30:06 AM » |
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Register or Login.. In this video the sprayer is on jet mode.. its squirting out pretty much in a straight line...one slight turn of the nozzle its goes to spray mode and wets the glass down twice as fast.. i use this on all windows really helps the washing glide. which in turn reduces fatigue and increases glide and and the end result . PLUS your throwing clean water up on the glass which gives higher quality ! its not rocket science.. put the Bottle of diluted detergent in the Bucket of water....or ..have a pouch on your waist along with your BOAB put the small bottle of diluted detergent in your pouch . use the bucket to wash out your sleeve preferably in water with out any soap.. you get your soap from the bottle .. takes seconds. once you get used to it it becomes habit and it goes like clockwork dont forget through using the bottle your also putting .... " CLEAN WATER ";;;;;; back on your washer on the area of the sleeve which is contact with the glass do what i do or at least try it . get a good pump sprayer . fill with pure water . spray the glass and wash normally . use the bottle to feed detergent to your washer sleeve . the sprayed pure water on the glass greatly !!!!! helps your washing glide and stops your washer from drying up.. you can spray and wash at the same time. this is really good as i have shown on videos before posted on this Forum . but people just dont seem to see the point.. try 10 windows with one washer without spraying. the washer will start to dry up and the will also be caked . after window 4-5 but with sprayer you can do the whole row and reach for the bottle of detergent which is in your pouch to deliver more soap if needed... its much better otherwise i would not use this technique.. 20 years in the bizness
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 01:35:27 PM » |
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You got your video private mate so I cant see it. So you Have a bucket and a spray bottle then. I have no problems with the way I work and dont see the need for a bottle myself as I do mainly domestic work,3 bed semi detached houses, town houses and terraced at the rate of around 6 per hour so after 20 years in this game myself i am very efficient. My applicator/wagtails/ easily stay wet from house to house, so, its easy for me to swill my applicator in the bucket as I go. I wondered how people got their applicators to stay grime free whilst using a bottle. You use both a bottle and a bucket. Thanks for your reply. I will check your vid out when you fix it/ make public. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2011, 02:20:27 PM » |
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must admit jimmy it makes me wonder, I have always just used a bucket as well, can't seed a need to change
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2011, 05:13:01 PM » |
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You got your video private mate so I cant see it. So you Have a bucket and a spray bottle then. I have no problems with the way I work and dont see the need for a bottle myself as I do mainly domestic work,3 bed semi detached houses, town houses and terraced at the rate of around 6 per hour so after 20 years in this game myself i am very efficient. My applicator/wagtails/ easily stay wet from house to house, so, its easy for me to swill my applicator in the bucket as I go. I wondered how people got their applicators to stay grime free whilst using a bottle. You use both a bottle and a bucket. Thanks for your reply. I will check your vid out when you fix it/ make public.  jim Your most welcome.. but it is good to at least try other ideas. sometimes they can work for you.... ill try and get another video done where people can really see the point ime trying to make......if your doing domestic a terrace house for example.. i guess you leave your bucket at the front and then take your strip washer on your boab to do the back along with your ladder am i right or do you take your bucket as well to the back with you ? if so.. the old adage is . " if it aint broke why fix it " applies..... and i understand that you guys work really hard and fast.. Ime English and Living in Germany. people pay good money for window cleaning here as well as they do in The USA. probably better than they do in The UK because in the USA and Germany windows are cleaned once twice a three times a year. on average. so having a quick tried system is best for you.... when things get complicated it slows some people down.... But never the less a sprayer a small one in your pouch is a wise decision because it delivers extra water when needed. and if your not using it you can allways leave it in your bucket ..a sprayer is better for spraying down glass and sills because it delivers water evenly.. but if your doing once monthly and twice weekly i guess your washer and cloths go much further because the houses you clean arent terribly dirty or am i wrong ? Some people like glide when there squeegeeing the same things goes for washing the glass if you use too much soap it cause friction and the washer gets drier quicker. but a sprayed window makes your washer glide over the glass... this all depends if the glass is dirty . if its clean then a sprayer is not needed. because it will possibly slow you down and complicate things. Jim This is why you have your system and others there its because off the amount of time between cleans... if i was doing 6 an hour like your self i would end up doing the same as your system because after trial and error most people end up doing the same way.. because its the only and best way.... Bucket of water.. you really want to get some <Ecover that stuff was made for regular cleans it really is fantastic ! regards John
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2011, 10:50:35 PM » |
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peterpetersnbg Yes, I leave my bucket at the front of each house, and Yes, my cloths and washer does go a long way. I am using the ecover liquid at the moment. I did a post on the 'Ecover/vinegar' thread, on my experience with it. I,m looking forward to returning to the windows i,ve done with it to see how they look, but to be honest the windows I do dont get too bad anyway on account of the regular cleans they get. Must be quite tough cleaning windows two or three times a year but if they pay good money then its all good  All the best, Ian
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2011, 12:00:50 AM » |
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 i use a bottle on a belt , with ecover vinegar mix and the applicator is cleaner at the end of the day than it was when i used a bucket  , with commercial cleaning detergent.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2011, 01:12:29 PM » |
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Kj So where is all the dirt going that you get on your applicator when you run it over the glass 
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2011, 08:28:06 PM » |
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peterpetersnbg Yes, I leave my bucket at the front of each house, and Yes, my cloths and washer does go a long way. I am using the ecover liquid at the moment. I did a post on the 'Ecover/vinegar' thread, on my experience with it. I,m looking forward to returning to the windows i,ve done with it to see how they look, but to be honest the windows I do dont get too bad anyway on account of the regular cleans they get. Must be quite tough cleaning windows two or three times a year but if they pay good money then its all good  All the best, Ian Yes Ian it is hard work but no harder than your self... if i was doing 6 houses an hour all day i would be earning 2000 $ a day.. here we clean extremely thorough Inside and out any thing between 2 and 6 customers daily but the houses and jobs are much bigger... its not possible to do more ( well it is possible if they was closer together ) because we dont get half the street like in England we get them scattered all over the place.... i would say you must be pretty damn hard working ... Regards John
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2011, 10:13:08 PM » |
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Hi jimmy boots , i think the dirt must simply be wahed away when i squirt some more solution on the mop. I must admit the mop being cleaner really surprised me.I also used a nail brush to clean the mop , but don't even do that any more.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 12:10:36 AM » |
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Kj So where is all the dirt going that you get on your applicator when you run it over the glass  Hi, I been using a bottle on a belt for years now. I was at first worried about the dirt issue, but in the main it doesn't seem to matter much. If you have a first clean or something it might be a bit of an issue. If all your work is fortnight or 4weekly, then it usually is not an issue. Sometimes I might wash my pad out under a tap or change it over but it doesn't seem to make any difference to the results. I currently use Ecover and dogear the channel in the new way that I developed. The rubbers are Pulex. If you get this right it is brill. As I use a mix of wfp and wagtail on a pole, carring a bucket would be just too much. It's rare I get any complaints either. You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginI think that useing white vinegar along with Ecover, does make a difference and things tend to stay cleaner for some reason.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 09:45:14 PM » |
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I still don't get it. I,m useing ecover liquid and vinegar and my bucket of water still gets 'murky' by the end of the day. I know the windows aren,t really dirty where I work, but it just seems normal that the dirt has to go somewhere, and thats in me bucket as the day goes on. Also I always keep my applicator (wagtails at the moment) clean by thoroughly washing them every day after work so they dont harbour dirt, and theres two of em to share the work load. I can understand you Wagga, as well as you others who Wfp 50% (tops) of your work because you,re only using your applicator for half the work. This isnt a problem for me, I just dont get how you can keep those applicators clean during the day
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 09:54:47 PM » |
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I still don't get it. I,m useing ecover liquid and vinegar and my bucket of water still gets 'murky' by the end of the day. I know the windows aren,t really dirty where I work, but it just seems normal that the dirt has to go somewhere, and thats in me bucket as the day goes on. Also I always keep my applicator (wagtails at the moment) clean by thoroughly washing them every day after work so they dont harbour dirt, and theres two of em to share the work load. I can understand you Wagga, as well as you others who Wfp 50% (tops) of your work because you,re only using your applicator for half the work. This isnt a problem for me, I just dont get how you can keep those applicators clean during the day Also I always keep my applicator (wagtails at the moment) clean by thoroughly washing them every day after work so they dont harbour dirt, and theres two of em to share the work load. What are you washing them in?
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 10:03:07 PM » |
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At the end of the day, just hot water .
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 10:07:10 PM » |
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 forgot to say , i put the mop in the washing machine each week with the scrims,well maybe noy me 
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 10:11:00 PM » |
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At the end of the day, just hot water .
To be honest you should not have to wash them every day i only do once a week the same as kj, Are you in a hard water area? are you using tap water or pure?
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 10:22:52 PM » |
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Tis a hard water area here, and I do use tap water.....but dirt is dirt.. isnt it 
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2011, 10:27:33 PM » |
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jimmy I still get dirt in my bucket, but falls to the bottom and the water stays clear, unlike with fairy it goes that milky sort of look,
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2011, 10:47:24 PM » |
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The question is how often do you change your water ?- i have not washed my applicator sleeves out in 6 years.. i change my water every 20 minutes or so...my sleeves are the same color as when i bought them
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2011, 10:54:10 PM » |
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Tis a hard water area here, and I do use tap water.....but dirt is dirt.. isnt it  A that could be your problem! dirt may be dirt! but for the mix to work right you either need soft water or pure water! or you will maybe have to double the mix! Think on it like this gg4 was made for hard water and gg3 for soft water!
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2011, 11:03:40 PM » |
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peterpetersnbg Your sleeves are getting washed out every day then,with your fresh water. Thats a lot of water changes but you do cleans a few months apart so I suppose you need to  Sometimes I can do the day with one bucket, and sometimes I need to change water during the day.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2011, 11:12:46 PM » |
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Thanks james I think I might experiment a little with me solution, maybe more vinegar. Been thinking of using rain water but I always like to take HOT water out with me especially now its colder out......... but still not solved the mystery of sleeves staying clean without being washed out 
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2011, 11:23:18 PM » |
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Thanks james I think I might experiment a little with me solution, maybe more vinegar. Been thinking of using rain water but I always like to take HOT water out with me especially now its colder out......... but still not solved the mystery of sleeves staying clean without being washed out  maybe more vinegar a dont think adding more vinegar will make any difference hard water needs more soap than soft water does to get the same effect as soft, Yep rain water will work then you will see the difference!
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2011, 11:54:17 PM » |
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mmmmmm, I think I got the liquid side right as I get just the right amount of suds, not too much as when using wagtails if theres too many suds you get a build up behind the pad and blade. Maybe try a bit of rain water for experience. As I said earlier I got no problems with how I work, twas these bottles people work with, without using a bucket that I cant get my head around.
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2011, 11:55:11 PM » |
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peterpetersnbg Your sleeves are getting washed out every day then,with your fresh water. Thats a lot of water changes but you do cleans a few months apart so I suppose you need to  Sometimes I can do the day with one bucket, and sometimes I need to change water during the day. I use lots of water because ime always in peoples house and in Germany they have taps everywhere and most houses and apartments have at least two or three toilets for emptying out the water . so with in 10 - 20 feet is always a tap and a toilet.... you do mainly outside ....but i think changing your water more often would definitely help . or get your self several washers and change through the day and wash them out at night.. run them through your tap each night.... regarding the hot water .. Ecover is great with hot water.... not smears or streaks !!!. try using a bottle with pure water and Ecover and leave the bottle in your bucket. at least give it a go. I could never climb a ladder with out some sort of extra water on me be it a sprayer or a bottle......you get paid 5 - 10 ----- 10 - 15 quid per house.. i get paid that per window !! Jimmy how often do you go to your bucket ? does it not make sense to wash your washer out in the bucket and then take the bottle of pure CLEAN water which has diluted detergent in and then apply clean pure water over your washer from your bottle( which is bobbing around in your bucket of water ). ?? other wise your water gets gradually dirtier and dirtier and your just applying dirty water to your washer AND WINDOWS....... this is why people use a bottle to apply fresh clean water to there washers !!!!. this why your washer looks like it does probably mate. People use the bucket too wash there washer out and then apply fresh clean water from the bottle ... you was thinking that people have no bucket... No they have the bucket of water but also in the bucket or on there pouch is the bottle which contains pure clean water and detergent mixed in . cut along story short
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