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« on: November 25, 2011, 12:14:51 AM »

How do you go about swilling your applicator when working through the day with just a bottle? I,ve thought about using a bottle myself but I dont think I could cope without swilling my applicator/ wagtail/ in a bucket with plenty of water every 1 or 2 houses.
 I do a lot of work thats done every 2 weeks as well as monthly so I can keep my work fairly clean, but by dinner time my water is starting to get dirty.

 So I was wondering whether those of you who use bottles have dirty applicators by the end of a day, or am I missing something  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 12:30:06 AM »

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In this video the sprayer  is on jet mode.. its squirting out pretty  much in a straight line...one slight turn of the nozzle  its  goes  to spray  mode  and wets the glass down  twice as  fast.. i use this on all windows   really  helps the washing glide. which in turn reduces  fatigue and increases  glide and  and the  end  result  . PLUS your throwing clean water  up on the glass which gives  higher quality !


its not  rocket science.. put the Bottle of diluted detergent in the Bucket of water....or  ..have a pouch on your waist  along with your BOAB  put the  small bottle of  diluted  detergent in your pouch   . use the bucket to wash out your  sleeve   preferably in   water  with out  any  soap..  you get your soap  from the bottle  ..  takes  seconds.    once  you get used  to it  it becomes  habit and it  goes like  clockwork

dont  forget through using the bottle  your also  putting .... " CLEAN WATER ";;;;;;  back on your  washer on the area  of  the sleeve which is contact with the glass


do what i do or at least try it  . get a  good  pump sprayer . fill with pure water  . spray the glass  and wash normally  . use the bottle to feed  detergent  to your  washer sleeve  .  the sprayed  pure water on the glass  greatly !!!!!  helps  your  washing glide and  stops  your washer  from  drying up.. you can spray and wash at the same  time. this  is  really  good  as  i  have  shown on videos  before posted on this Forum . but  people just dont seem  to see the  point..

try  10 windows  with  one washer  without spraying.   the washer will start to dry up and the will also be caked  .  after  window 4-5  but with sprayer  you can do the whole row and  reach for the bottle of  detergent which is in your pouch  to deliver  more soap if needed... its  much better otherwise  i would not use this technique.. 20 years in the bizness
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 01:35:27 PM »

You got your video private mate so I cant see it.

 So you Have a bucket and a spray bottle then. I have no problems with the way I work and dont see the need for a bottle myself as I do mainly domestic work,3 bed semi detached houses, town houses and terraced at the rate of around 6 per hour so after 20 years in this game myself i am very efficient. My applicator/wagtails/ easily stay wet from house to house, so, its easy for me to swill my applicator in the bucket as I go.
 I wondered how people got their applicators to stay grime free whilst using a bottle. You use both a bottle and a bucket.

 Thanks for your reply. I will check your vid out when you fix it/ make public.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2011, 02:20:27 PM »

must admit jimmy it makes me wonder, I have always just used a bucket as well, can't seed a need to change
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2011, 05:13:01 PM »

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You got your video private mate so I cant see it.

 So you Have a bucket and a spray bottle then. I have no problems with the way I work and dont see the need for a bottle myself as I do mainly domestic work,3 bed semi detached houses, town houses and terraced at the rate of around 6 per hour so after 20 years in this game myself i am very efficient. My applicator/wagtails/ easily stay wet from house to house, so, its easy for me to swill my applicator in the bucket as I go.
 I wondered how people got their applicators to stay grime free whilst using a bottle. You use both a bottle and a bucket.

 Thanks for your reply. I will check your vid out when you fix it/ make public.  Smiley

jim Your most welcome.. but it  is  good  to at least try other ideas. sometimes they can work for you....  ill try and  get another  video  done where  people can really see the point ime trying to make......if your doing domestic   a terrace house  for example.. i guess you leave  your bucket at the  front and then take  your strip washer on your boab  to do the back along with your ladder   am i right or  do you take your bucket as well  to the back with you ? if so.. the old adage  is  . " if it aint broke  why  fix  it "  applies.....

and i understand that you guys  work really hard and  fast.. Ime  English and  Living in Germany. people pay good  money  for window cleaning here  as  well as they do in The USA. probably  better than they do in The UK  because in the USA and Germany  windows  are cleaned  once twice a  three times a year.  on average.  so  having a quick tried   system is  best for you.... when  things get complicated it  slows  some people  down.... But never the less a  sprayer  a small one in your pouch is a  wise  decision because it delivers  extra  water  when needed. and if your  not using it you can allways  leave it in your bucket ..a  sprayer  is better for  spraying down glass and sills  because it delivers  water evenly.. but if  your  doing once  monthly and twice weekly  i  guess  your  washer and cloths  go much further  because the houses  you clean arent terribly  dirty  or am i wrong ?

Some people like glide when there squeegeeing  the same things goes  for  washing  the glass if  you use  too much soap it cause friction and the washer gets  drier  quicker. but a sprayed  window  makes your washer  glide  over the glass... this all depends  if the glass is dirty  . if its clean then a sprayer is not needed. because it will  possibly slow  you down and complicate things.

Jim This is why  you have your system and others  there  its  because off the amount of time between cleans...  if i was  doing 6  an hour like your self i would end  up  doing the same as  your system because  after trial and error  most people  end up doing the same way.. because its the only and best way.... Bucket of water.. you really  want to get some <Ecover  that stuff was  made   for regular cleans it really is fantastic !

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2011, 10:50:35 PM »

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Yes, I leave my bucket at the front of each house, and Yes, my cloths and washer does go a long way.
  I am using the ecover liquid at the moment. I did a post on the 'Ecover/vinegar' thread, on my experience with it. I,m looking forward to returning to the windows i,ve done with it to see how they look, but to be honest the windows I do dont get too bad anyway on account of the regular cleans they get.
  Must be quite tough cleaning windows two or three times a year but if they pay good money then its all good  Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2011, 12:00:50 AM »

 Smiley i use a bottle on a belt , with ecover vinegar mix and the applicator is cleaner at the end of the day than it was when i used a bucket Cheesy , with commercial cleaning detergent.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2011, 01:12:29 PM »

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So where is all the dirt going that you get on your applicator when you run it over the glass Huh?
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2011, 08:28:06 PM »

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Yes, I leave my bucket at the front of each house, and Yes, my cloths and washer does go a long way.
  I am using the ecover liquid at the moment. I did a post on the 'Ecover/vinegar' thread, on my experience with it. I,m looking forward to returning to the windows i,ve done with it to see how they look, but to be honest the windows I do dont get too bad anyway on account of the regular cleans they get.
  Must be quite tough cleaning windows two or three times a year but if they pay good money then its all good  Smiley

 All the best, Ian

Yes  Ian   it is  hard work  but no harder than your self... if  i was  doing 6 houses  an hour  all day  i would be  earning  2000 $  a  day..  here  we  clean   extremely  thorough Inside and  out   any thing between  2  and  6  customers  daily   but the houses and  jobs are much  bigger...  its  not possible  to do more ( well it  is possible  if they was closer  together )  because we  dont get  half  the street like in England  we  get them scattered all over the place....  i would  say  you  must be pretty damn hard working ...

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2011, 10:13:08 PM »

Hi jimmy boots , i think the dirt must simply be wahed away when i squirt some more solution on the mop. I must admit  the mop being cleaner really surprised me.I also used a nail brush to clean the mop , but don't even do that any more.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 12:10:36 AM »

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So where is all the dirt going that you get on your applicator when you run it over the glass Huh?

Hi, I been using a bottle on a belt for years now. I was at first worried about the dirt issue, but in the main it doesn't seem to matter much. If you have a first clean or something it might be a bit of an issue. If all your work is fortnight or 4weekly, then it usually is not an issue. Sometimes I might wash my pad out under a tap or change it over but it doesn't seem to make any difference to the results. I currently use Ecover and dogear the channel in the new way that I developed. The rubbers are Pulex. If you get this right it is brill. As I use a mix of wfp and wagtail on a pole, carring a bucket would be just too much. It's rare I get any complaints either. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
I think that useing white vinegar along with Ecover, does make a difference and things tend to stay cleaner for some reason.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 09:45:14 PM »

I still don't get it. I,m useing ecover liquid and vinegar and my bucket of water still gets 'murky' by the end of the day. I know the windows aren,t really dirty where I work, but it just seems normal that the dirt has to go somewhere, and thats in me bucket as the day goes on. Also I always keep my applicator (wagtails at the moment) clean by thoroughly washing them every day after work so they dont harbour dirt, and theres two of em to share the work load.
  I can understand you Wagga, as well as you others who Wfp 50% (tops) of your work because you,re only using your applicator for half the work.
  This isnt a problem for me, I just dont get how you can keep those applicators clean during the day  Huh?

 
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I still don't get it. I,m useing ecover liquid and vinegar and my bucket of water still gets 'murky' by the end of the day. I know the windows aren,t really dirty where I work, but it just seems normal that the dirt has to go somewhere, and thats in me bucket as the day goes on. Also I always keep my applicator (wagtails at the moment) clean by thoroughly washing them every day after work so they dont harbour dirt, and theres two of em to share the work load.
  I can understand you Wagga, as well as you others who Wfp 50% (tops) of your work because you,re only using your applicator for half the work.
  This isnt a problem for me, I just dont get how you can keep those applicators clean during the day  Huh?

 


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What are you washing them in?
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 10:03:07 PM »

At the end of the day, just hot water .
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 10:07:10 PM »

 Wink forgot to say , i put the mop in the washing machine each week with the scrims,well maybe noy me  Grin
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At the end of the day, just hot water .

To be honest you should not have to wash them every day i only do once a week the same as kj,

Are you in a hard water area? are you using tap water or pure?
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 10:22:52 PM »

Tis a hard water area here, and I do use tap water.....but dirt is dirt.. isnt it  Undecided
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2011, 10:27:33 PM »

jimmy I still get dirt in my bucket, but falls to the bottom and the water stays clear, unlike with fairy it goes that milky sort of look,
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2011, 10:47:24 PM »

The question is how often  do you change  your water ?- i have not washed my applicator  sleeves  out in 6 years.. i change my water every 20 minutes or  so...my sleeves  are the same color  as when i bought them
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Tis a hard water area here, and I do use tap water.....but dirt is dirt.. isnt it  Undecided

A that could be your problem!
dirt may be dirt! but for the mix to work right you either need soft water or pure water! or you will maybe have to double the mix!

Think on it like this gg4 was made for hard water and gg3 for soft water!
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2011, 11:03:40 PM »

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 Your sleeves are getting washed out every day then,with your fresh water.
Thats a lot of water changes but you do cleans a few months apart so I suppose you need to  Smiley

 Sometimes I can do the day with one bucket, and sometimes I need to change water during the day.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2011, 11:12:46 PM »

Thanks james I think I might experiment a little with me solution, maybe more vinegar. Been thinking of using rain water but I always like to take HOT water out with me especially now its colder out......... but still not solved the mystery of sleeves staying clean without being washed out  Grin
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Thanks james I think I might experiment a little with me solution, maybe more vinegar. Been thinking of using rain water but I always like to take HOT water out with me especially now its colder out......... but still not solved the mystery of sleeves staying clean without being washed out  Grin

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a dont think adding more vinegar will make any difference hard water needs more soap than soft water does to get the same effect as soft,

Yep rain water will work then you will see the difference!
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2011, 11:54:17 PM »

mmmmmm, I think I got the liquid side right as I get just the right amount of suds, not too much as when using wagtails if theres too many suds you get a build up behind the pad and blade. Maybe try a bit of rain water for experience.
 As I said earlier I got no problems with how I work, twas these bottles people work with, without using a bucket that I cant get my head around.
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 Your sleeves are getting washed out every day then,with your fresh water.
Thats a lot of water changes but you do cleans a few months apart so I suppose you need to  Smiley

 Sometimes I can do the day with one bucket, and sometimes I need to change water during the day.

I use lots of water  because ime always  in peoples  house and in Germany they have taps everywhere and  most houses and  apartments   have at least two or three  toilets for emptying out the water . so with in 10 - 20 feet is always a tap and a toilet....  you  do mainly  outside  ....but i think changing your water more often would definitely  help . or get your self  several washers and change through the day and wash them out at night..  run them through your  tap  each night.... regarding the hot water .. Ecover  is great with hot water....  not  smears or streaks !!!. try using a bottle  with pure water and Ecover  and leave the bottle  in your bucket. at least give it a  go.

I could never climb a ladder  with out some sort of extra water on me  be it a sprayer or a bottle......you get paid  5 - 10 ----- 10 - 15  quid  per house.. i get paid that per window !!

Jimmy how often do you go to your bucket ?  

does it not make sense  to  wash your washer out in the bucket
and then take the bottle of  pure  CLEAN water which has diluted  detergent in  and then  apply  clean pure water over your washer  from your bottle( which is bobbing around in your bucket of water  ). ??

 other wise  your water gets gradually dirtier and dirtier and your just applying dirty water  to your washer AND WINDOWS.......

this  is why people use a bottle  to apply  fresh clean water to there washers !!!!.

 this why your washer looks like it does probably  mate.


People use the bucket  too wash there washer out  and then apply  fresh clean water from the bottle ...

you  was thinking that people  have no bucket...  No   they have the bucket of water  but also  in the bucket or on there pouch is the bottle  which contains  pure clean water  and detergent mixed in .


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