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« on: January 21, 2004, 01:32:10 AM » |
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Anyone know of any good questions they would like to ask about water fed pole work? Questions I could answer, or anyone else, and put them on this board
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Peter
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2004, 07:43:32 PM » |
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I have tried it a few different ways and find it much better when the water comes from within the brush as opposed to above the brush. The reason I give for this is when the water is hitting the glass above the brush there is always the chance of the water arching up on to the frame and bringing down dirt, this is eliminated with a through brush feed as the bristles on the brush keeps the water contained, and away from the top frame. Does the brush have a spray type nozzle in the centre, so that when you take the bristles off the glass the water sprays out in a "fan" to rinse the window? Or does the water trickle through the bristles? With the brush I have, the water just flowed through with no spray nozzle. This used far too much water and did not rinse very well at all, so I mounted 2 fan spray jets above the bristles. Though after reading your post about the 'above bristle' spray, perhaps this wasnt the best thing to do. Philip
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2004, 08:20:49 PM » |
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Hi again Philip,
The jets I use are fitted in the brush. I use two of them.
What I do is take two rows of bristles out of the brush leaving a row behind at the top closest to the top frame of the window. The jets fan out much further than the brush at both ends, but as soon as the brush touches the window all the water is contained within the brush.
I also find it better to have the water coming out of the brush under pressure, this way all of the water is hitting the glass, instead of running off the bottom of the brush.
I did try all sorts of combinations when I first started, I even tried some spray nozzles which cost around £13 each, now I just make my own at very little cost, but they are effective
Peter
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2004, 12:35:23 PM » |
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Thanks Peter,
If I used one of your brushes with the backpack system I am trying to make, the flow rate would only be about 1 Litre per minute. (Jeff Brimble has his own backpack system, and recommends a flow rate no greater than this)
Would this work with the nozzles, and still spray out (rather than dribble) at this lower flow rate?
Philip
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2004, 12:47:35 PM » |
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I gave a couple of my jets to Jeff to try last year at the trade show, but he says they didn't work well with his set-up. I don't know if he got them to work eventually, or if he tried one jet in the middle of the brush. You could ask him and see what he done.
Peter
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2004, 10:16:00 PM » |
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hi peter: nice site, well my question is if it takes 2/3 cleans with a wfp to get good results why on jeff`s posts does he say it is a 6 month learning curve surely if i takes 6 months to learn is this not a backward step bearing in mind it did not take 6 months to learn how to use a squeegee or is it a case you have to go back to go forward or am i missing something :-/
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2004, 08:02:20 AM » |
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What Peter means is after two or three D.I. cleans you`ve got rid of the old detergent from squeegee cleans.Jeff I think is relating to all the other problems encountered with pure water window cleaning.Back packs,trollies,truck and van mounts etc etc.It takes longer than six months to learn anything.There`s always things cropping knocking ya back etc.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2004, 05:58:01 PM » |
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hi peter: nice site, well my question is if it takes 2/3 cleans with a wfp to get good results why on jeff`s posts does he say it is a 6 month learning curve surely if i takes 6 months to learn is this not a backward step bearing in mind it did not take 6 months to learn how to use a squeegee or is it a case you have to go back to go forward or am i missing something :-/ I can't answer for Jeff, but I do know Jeff started out cleaning only the top windows with pure water until the customers got used to it, then gradually over time started introducing bottom window cleaning to a few customers at a time. The reason for this was to get customers used to the results on the top windows before doing the more important looked through bottom windows. This may have took him 6 months it may take someone else a year, it may take someone else 1 month, at the end of the day you know your customers you know what you will get away with, you know how much they trust you. You have to decide what is the best way for your business. And the six months to use a squeegee, I know lot's of window cleaners in my village alone that can't use a squeegee properly after as much as 40 years cleaning windows. Peter
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2004, 09:43:03 AM » |
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Thinking of getting my first pole system. Any advice on which system, how much and any other advice would be great. It would be used on commercial and domestic windows. Thanks
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2004, 10:31:41 PM » |
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Re jets,Thanks for the gift Peter, I found that the smaller flojet I use didnt give enough pressure to make the fan pattern you suggested so went back to my 4 spray head sytem, I find that I dont need pressure, just flow like a windsreen washer on a car ?? Sorry for late reply.
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2004, 02:20:08 PM » |
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Hi Peter. Although I have been a window cleaner for the past 20 years, I guess that I am a total newbie to water fed poles. I am looking to invest in such a system, and doing my bst to learn what I can through the forum. Questions: Most of my work is ground floor and pointer work, I do have several large offices, which is why I want to get into the water fed poles. But which system? Trailer or trolley?
I will be looking for other work once I have the system as it will allow me to get work that I would have refused before. I am a one man band at the moment (used to have half a dozen working for me, but I got fed up with the hassle!) My large ladder is a triple extention, max 33ft. I would want a system that would allow me to work considerably higher than this if possible. From what I have read so far it would appear that 40ft is roughly the max height. When working at this sort of height, how awkward is the system to use?
As windows are left wet, can this cause problems on windy, dry and dusty days?
On wet days, at least with a squeegee the glass is bladed dry, even if only for a moment, and I have found that it does not make an awful lot of difference after they have dried out afterthe rain. (Generally that is) Is this likely to be the same with windows that are left wet with the pole fed system? or worse?
When cleaning a premises that have not had their widows cleaned for many a year, is there a way of adding detergent of some sort at the nozzle for really grimy work? Or is this not necessary?
Hoping you can be of some help.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2004, 03:01:38 PM » |
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Hi Peter.
I am looking to invest in such a system, and doing my bst to learn what I can through the forum. Questions: Most of my work is ground floor and pointer work, I do have several large offices, which is why I want to get into the water fed poles. But which system? Trailer or trolley? There is a lot of different systems out there from a lot of manufacturers, it really depends on quite a few different things what set-up best suits your needs and budget. Have a look at them all, and more importantly ask a lot of questions. A trailer system is great, some people prefer them to a van system as they are not tying the inside of their van up with water tanks. But you do need a secure place to keep it. A trolley system although ideal for getting to awkward places, and around houses, separate water containers need to be carried.[/quote] I will be looking for other work once I have the system as it will allow me to get work that I would have refused before. I am a one man band at the moment (used to have half a dozen working for me, but I got fed up with the hassle!)
I know the feeling My large ladder is a triple extention, max 33ft. I would want a system that would allow me to work considerably higher than this if possible. From what I have read so far it would appear that 40ft is roughly the max height. When working at this sort of height, how awkward is the system to use? It is quite easy, like everything else though you get used to it. 4O foot is what most people use as you wouldn't be going higher than this on a ladder, and the poles are to do away with ladders. You can however get poles much higher. As windows are left wet, can this cause problems on windy, dry and dusty days?
No, not as much problems as with a squeegee. On wet days, at least with a squeegee the glass is bladed dry, even if only for a moment, and I have found that it does not make an awful lot of difference after they have dried out afterthe rain. (Generally that is) Is this likely to be the same with windows that are left wet with the pole fed system? or worse?
With a squeegee on a windy day if the soapy water blows back on the glass after squeegeeing that soap will dry in as a mark on the window. If the rain hits the window after squeegeeing it mixes with the soap and drys in marked. With the pure water you don't get any of these two problems. When cleaning a premises that have not had their widows cleaned for many a year, is there a way of adding detergent of some sort at the nozzle for really grimy work? Or is this not necessary?
It is usually not necessary, most of the time a couple of cleans with pure water is enough to get them shining again. Hoping you can be of some help.
Anymore questions just ask. Peter
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2004, 10:02:06 PM » |
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Great site . I have found it a great help to read through previous question & answers , but would like to ask if you are aware of any supplier that gives practical demos or even training with pole systems?
Thanks Mark.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2004, 10:29:14 PM » |
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Great site . I have found it a great help to read through previous question & answers , but would like to ask if you are aware of any supplier that gives practical demos or even training with pole systems?
Thanks Mark. Yes Mark most do demonstrations just phone each one up and ask. Ionics does training. Peter
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2004, 12:26:54 AM » |
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Mark,
Fill in your profile and signature, tell us more about yourself, where you work, what type of work you carry out etc. etc. If you're anywhere near East or Central Scotland just get on the phone to Peter and tell him you're coming to see him and to pick his brains about Water Fed Poles, how they work and how to work them.
Even if you're not too close, he's the man to buy one from - trolley or truckmount. You've probably guessed already, but he's a very helpful bloke, happy to assist, will answer any question you have, and is not interested in fleecing punters. Ooops, some larger companies might take that the wrong way - apologies in advance if you were offended :o)
Get on the phone - you know it makes sense!
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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2004, 06:17:09 PM » |
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Ok heres one, which is started to  off. Anyway sometimes i get water dropplets form on top of the frame and it gets so big it drops and runs down the window leaving an water mark. Now i am starting to think this is one thing and one thing only. Dirty Frame? as it happens on some windows and no mark left after. I clean all frames before windows as well, mind you on some window frames i dont rinse that might be the problem not rinsing the frame. ermm might try that tomorrow see what happens. Await your answer. Thanks Justin
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2004, 03:15:18 PM » |
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this is my first post on hear come from cleanitup, any way can any one help me!! was on this site or cleanitup and some one posted a letter that the give to there customers saying this is how my new system works, i think it was a Q and A thing! can any one post a link would be very gratefull  oh thats good we have a spell check on here andy dorset fed member
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2004, 05:46:30 PM » |
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Ok heres one, which is started to  off. Anyway sometimes i get water dropplets form on top of the frame and it gets so big it drops and runs down the window leaving an water mark. Now i am starting to think this is one thing and one thing only. Dirty Frame? as it happens on some windows and no mark left after. I clean all frames before windows as well, mind you on some window frames i dont rinse that might be the problem not rinsing the frame. ermm might try that tomorrow see what happens. Await your answer. Thanks Justin Hi Justin, Your jets are spraying through the middle of your brush head - yes? If not not, and its the overhead spray this could be catching the frame without brushing. My brush has middle jets. I did a Renault garage recently and did the signs above, I obviously didn't use enough water, but I had the same problem with the droplets. They were still holding dirt from the signs. I went for a coffee, came back 20 minutes later & redid them. Sorted. You might also have a gap in the silicon which collects underneath the frame, you might want to alter the angle of the brush head so the sprays have a more downward approach.
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2004, 06:01:54 PM » |
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this is my first post on hear come from cleanitup, any way can any one help me!! was on this site or cleanitup and some one posted a letter that the give to there customers saying this is how my new system works, i think it was a Q and A thing! can any one post a link would be very gratefull  oh thats good we have a spell check on here andy dorset fed member Hi Andy, Yes it was Phil Hanson thats got a trifold, he sent me a copy. Send me your email address in a pm and I'll send you a copy with silly phillys permission. Or you could go to:- You are not allowed to view links.
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2004, 06:27:18 PM » |
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Cheers Karl your a star Just need to know how the hell you change the Jets on the brush. Just doing them teo pictures. 5 mins there be up.
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2004, 06:34:59 PM » |
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Ok heres my brush head and one jet squirts upwards and one downwards, how can i change the jet on the other one to squirt downwards. Which is due to the water runs i get now and again.   What part to i play with requards the flowing of the water from the jet? Justin
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2004, 06:49:23 PM » |
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Justin can't the jets be turned so that they spray in the direction you want?
Peter
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2004, 06:50:54 PM » |
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Yeah you can turn the jets but they seam to spray in the same direction all the time? Plsu i am not sure how much you can keep turning them before they come off. I am an noob.
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2004, 06:51:45 PM » |
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How are they fixed? do they come out?
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2004, 06:52:38 PM » |
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Not sure if they come out. But if i keep turning them they might. Ill have twist. Yeah they come out there like an bolt with an thread on. Ill quickly take picture 2 mins.  Not the best of pictures that then screws into the brush head. Justin
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