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« on: May 02, 2006, 10:29:32 AM »

Some of the tecnics and modified equipment I use are :

I have modified my bucket by attaching 2 small sholder  back packs on either side of my bucket.  I keep clean cloths on on side and the dirty ones on the other side.  On the backpacks there are plenty of side pockets to hold spare rubbers, hose fittings, pliers, tape etc.

I have a drink bottle on my belt so I will always have water at hand...good for when your on the inside of a house where you dont need too much water and it keeps me from always having to shift my bucket....I use this technic on every job and you can clean a whole house without relying on your bucket.

Any comments appreciated.

There are others.

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2006, 10:10:09 PM »

I used to have a bungee around the outside rim of the bucket & have one of those car pocket holders tucked around it. I don't bother anymore, just throw the stuff in my bucket.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2006, 12:59:23 AM »

Thanks for your comment Karl.  

Im a fanatic when using ctoths to take up the ledges and found I had too many dirty cloths to stack them into my bucket.

I am looking forward to recieving other comments about this.

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2006, 06:23:06 AM »

Welcome aboard GD2.For `traditional` carrying of water as opposed
To a normal bucket,try 2x5 liter containers ( Dalesman) in the Unger
Ergo-Tech large pouches.The braces help to eliminate weight strain.
The fit is perfect.At present though I`m using 2 x 32oz.(Liter) bottles
In a full time `Bucket-in-a-Bottle` set-up.I`ve done away with the
Equivalent to the Soro Quadrapod.Mainly now I`m `pure watering`
Upstairs and `traditional` ground floor windows.It`s amazing how far
2 liters goes and every drop goes where ya need it……on ya strip washer
Or SqueegeeMate `pad`.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2006, 10:29:17 AM »

Good on you for replying to my posting.

I know, this straping a litre bottle to your side is fantastic, but I thought I was the only one that had thought of it.

Im getting fantastic freedom using this system especially when I have to go on to a roof line and when Im cleaning french styled windows, the right amount of water when I need it.

I can clean the whole floor of a largeish hospital and never move a bucket, its an absolute gem.  I carry my cloths looped on my belt and in my pockets and only return to my bucket for additional cloths and a to swap for a full bottle.

What do you think of the other system I mentioned, about tieing small sholder back packs to your bucket, one side for clean and the other dirty cloths.  How many times do you get half way around a job when you need either a new rubber or a new blade or a pair of pliers, some hose fittings, a screw driver or a small bottle of stain remover or some tape ?  Why jog all the way back to the car when you can have them attached to your bucket in the sholder bag pockets.  Why ?

I have a few other technics that I use and would be intrested if you have already cottened on to them .  Personally I think the carring the litre bottle on a belt is absolute GOLD and running into information like this is a blessing..................for 16 years I was limited by how much my water would last and then go back to my bucket and move it and start the process again, now I have the freedom to move my ladder around a building and never have to do a double travell to get my bucket and in every other situation I can think of.  

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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2006, 08:13:56 PM »

I just can`t quite get my head around the straps on your bucket arrangement GD2
( Whats your first name?) I can`t remember the last time I used a bucket,although
I do a good deal of my window cleaning now using the pure water method systems.
Any chance of you sending a photo down?
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2006, 10:12:18 AM »

About the question about the way I carry my dirty and clean cloths and little bits and peices tied to my bucket in shoulder back packs.

Well it all started off with plastic shopping bags tied to each end of my ob-long bucket ( we all use 15 litre ob-long buckets in Australia ), it then graduated to using the bigger and heavier plastic bags you get when you buy cloths from a tendy outlet and then finally I now tie a small shouler back pack ( they are about one third the size of a back pack and they have a long stape that slings around you shoulder and attaches with velcro.  This strap is just perfect to go around the ob-long bucket ( over the handle and under the lip of the bucket to keep the shoulder back pack from just falling away when you lift up the bucket ).
I cant send a photo because im a window cleaner not an IT freak.

Why dont you visit me at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login   schroll to Australia and join me in the chat there.  There are 3 rooms and the Delica Club only uses one of them.
Why dosent everyone who reads this post pop into the chat and we can have it as the window cleaners retreat.
The best time is 12 noon London time which is 7pm in Australia and if you live in ...... say Spain it would be about 11am ish.  

Oh my name is Jimmy NOT GD2 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2006, 09:03:47 PM »

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I cant send a photo because im a window cleaner not an IT freak.

Why dosent everyone who reads this post pop into the chat and we can have it as the window cleaners retreat.
The best time is 12 noon London time which is 7pm in Australia and if you live in ...... say Spain it would be about 10am ish.  


Send me the photo I'll post it for you, I'm a freak (not IT).

What sort of watch do you carry? Spain is always 1 hour ahead of London. (Please send me the winners of the ascot 2:30 cos Australia is always 8 - 11 hours ahead - gives me time to get to the bookies).
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2006, 07:28:41 AM »

Very funny Karlosdaze.  I had my east / west mixed up.

......anyways why dont you pop into the Delica chat and stay a while.

I have some other tricks and we can discuss them in a quicker fashon.

I religously use cloudy ammonia mixed in with my big dose of dish washing liquid.  I also run a strip of dish  washing liquid and cloudy ammonia on my applicator neat straight out of the bottle which allows me to cut my edges quicker because if you have your solution REALLY soapy with cloudy ammonia and dish washing liquid the bubbles seperate really nicely and the top and side edges of the window never run and also because your solution is SO strong its like you become mister super window cleaner. Grime, dirt, nicotine melts off right in front of your eyes. This solution ABSOLUTLY leaves a GLEAM to the outside of the glass and AMAZINGLY makes the inside look as if its disappeared.  If you already know the vertues of cloudy ammonia you would agree but TRUELY it must be the best kept screat in the industry.

I have others. Shocked

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2006, 03:36:42 AM »

hello again JD2

Sorry have not been able to get to your other site as yet. However I did have a quick look the other day. Not Bad.

today I would like to ask you what is the ration of mix that you use when you mix detergent and cloudy amonia?

I woul love to try it out.

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2006, 07:49:31 AM »

Cloudy ammonia is the best kept window cleaning trick in Australia.

I use about half a cup ( a big splash ) together with a BIG squeese of dish washing liquid in 10 liters of water.

Make sure you put enough dish washing liquid in because it gives you a really tight bubble and helps seperate your sides and edges.

I use as much cloudy ammonia and dish washing liquid as possible in my solution, it gives you the strenght of 10 window cleaners.

Also I run a line of soap down the middle of my applicator which helps with giving you a tighter bubble.

Dont forget about the drink bottle strapped to your side.
I have nearly done away with my bucket and only return to it to get more cloths and a top up.

See you soon in the Delica chat

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2006, 06:53:31 PM »

Ammonia is dangerous stuff. I remember on the American forum there were a few problems with the window cleaners using it. Keep it down to a minimum  Shocked
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2006, 06:31:54 AM »

Ammonia can be `lethal` sometimes on upvc frames especially.Although
I`ve never used ammonia that’s cloudy,whats the difference between that
And the normal mid strength or even high strength ammonia Jimmy?
Regarding D.I.Y. cleaning solutions,and perhaps solutions other than say
G.G.4 `Fairy` Ettore Squeegee Off or whatever,can anyone recommend
A good cleaner giving also good `rubber slip`? Karlos put me onto water
Softner powder some time ago and its good,but try this.Beer line,dish wash
Detergent,or rinse aids that they use in places like pubs etc.for their dishes etc.
This last week its been really warm in the north of the U.K.and even on glass
Made warm by the sun,the rubber `slip` I`ve had has been the best I`ve known
Anyways.The window glass really does `glint` when they`re done too.I told
My mate the other day,I can`t see myself using G.G.4 again.
A ratio `mix of 15 to 1 is about right,and at between £2 to £3 for 5 liters the
Janitorial supply places are giving it away compared to G.G.4.
Karlos in Spain and Jimmy in `Oz` the heat `down there`,how do you fella`s
Make out?
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2006, 08:13:10 AM »

Cloudy ammonia is mothers milk and I wont stand for anyone bad mouthing this product. Shocked

On the side of the cloudy ammonia bottle it recommends that you use it in you washing, so it cant be toxic at all.  I think the ammonia you guys are thinking of is the industrial version of it that peals paint off a 20 feet.
People here use it in their kitchen and bathrooms.

Your right about the heat here in Australia, especially on the thick glass that holds the heat.

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2006, 08:19:47 AM »

My new idea that I will be trying on Monday is a small 8 inch by 12 inch pouch which is a CD tape carry bag which I plan tieing to my belt to carry all my wet and used cloths.  I will still be looping my dry clean cloths around my belt.  I never did have a place to put my dirty cloths in except for my pockets  so I hope this system works.

So now I am truely a mobile window cleaner having discarded my bucket for every.  The bucket will only now be used as a station that you will only need to return to as a mother station to replenish your water and change your cloths.

I cleaned a 5 bed home the other day and I carried my bucket to the back yard thinking I may need something from my carry-all tied to the side of the bucket or some extra water etc but found I didnt need the bucket there for any reason because I managed to complete the whole house in and out without needing to return to the bucket and ended up having to travell to the back to retrive my bucket without using or needing it at all. Of coarse I was using the system of carring your cleaning solution tied to your side in a bottle.

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Anyone want to buy a used bucket.   Shocked

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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2006, 08:52:11 PM »

Its nothing new JD.





These holders are part of the Unger range, something they managed to get right! They also do a scraper holder, which I've also discarded due to the benefits of the Ettore belt.

Try the Ettore belt for cloth holding, it has premade loops. It is a stiffer webbing compared to the Unger, it will hold all your cloths & is a quick in & out operation instead of trying to stuff it between your t-shirt & belt.
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2006, 09:53:32 AM »

Hi again Karl, thanks for your message.

I am speachless, I am without speach.  

I honestly thought I had invented the bottle tied to your side and daily try to convince other window cleaners its a great system.  Now you tell me the pouch for the dirty cloths has been around as well. Shocked  

O. K.  I have others like :  I attach a 2 and a half inch tube with a stopper at the bottom of it into the end of my leather squee gee holder.  Then I put tape around the top end of the squee gee holder to make a little squee gee holder there, SO this makes the orginal part of the squee gee holder the place I now put my applicator in HANDLE FIRST.  My squee gee is placed SHAFT FIRST in the NEW taped up area.  The excess water runs down the leather squee gee holder and colects in the TUBE at the bottom.  The squee gee being put in shaft first makes it easier to take out because you have better access to the handle which isnt shoved half way down a leather squee gee holder.  When your going up and down ladders and long roof lines and every other time you need somewhere to put your applicator so if you must have this ability to carry your applicator.Shocked

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A great place to keep your 4 inch SCRAPEMASTER BLACK HANDLED SCRAPPER ( which I use on every job to scape off Gum spot, grease stains on kitchen windows, paint specks, badly weathered glass from snail spots, fly spots etc ).  Now that I have attached my 2 and a half inch tup to my squee gee holder it gives me the ability of attaching the SAFETY GUARD  for the SCRAPEMASTER to the base of the 2 and a half inch tube and then put a CLIP further up the tube to house the handle of the SCRAPEMASTER.  Very easy to acess your scraper and every thing else the squee gee and applicator.

Is all this common knowledge too. Shocked

I must admit that I had thought of HOOKS on a belt to carry clean skrims BUT I might as well not mention that any longer.

DOG EARING the ends of a BRASS SQUEE GEE CHANNEL is not common knowledge over here, I think you mentioned it once.

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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2006, 02:38:32 PM »

hey Guys

what I do is I use key rings (2" wide). I put my belt inside the key rings and then put one cloth into each ring.
The cloths are excecible and do not fall out. I have app 6 cloths around my wast.
I think it is handy for me.
And I am now using JD2 idea for the dirty cloths as well.


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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2006, 05:42:22 PM »

I think you guys need to look at a few web sites. It will be like a sweet shop for you. Especially the squeegee holder, that made me laugh. Look for buckets on belts.

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I think you are over zealous with the scrim "willinghands", I rarely get through more than a one a property. Most experienced users in the UK get through one a day!
JD, the only reason I used a pouch was for a natural sponge. But these days I just use the scrubber as a wipe for my squeegee.
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2006, 10:05:21 AM »

Hi Willing hands and Karl, thanks for the replys.

Willing hands, what a FANTASTIC idea.  KEY  RINGS  on your belt to carry your clean skrims on.  Thats GOLD, I will be using that system for SURE.
About skrims,  I ONLY use cut -up old BATH TOWLES,  I personally use about 50 to 60 towel peices everyday.  Once I have wiped up the dirt from frames and ledges and it gets a little wet I change towel peice.  Thats why I have the CARRY ALL attached to my bucket to carry my extra cloths.  Some windows sware by SKRIMS but they do different style work ( say multi storey work )  where they dont rely on the shrim to talk up lots of water and dirt as we do comming up against dirt and grim on private homes etc.  
I keep missing you on the mobile and have left 2 messages.  Message me what time you want me to ring.

Karl, thanks heaps for your list of Cleaning Suppliers.

I did look up the bucket on a belt BUT thats not what I use.  I use a DRINK BOTTLE ON A BELT and squeeze out my solution as I need it.  We have those Buckets on a Belt here and I think they are a joke and cause injury banging on your leg endlessly and the water that is kept in the bottom becomes dirty quickly and there is always alot of EXCESS water dripping of the ends of the applicator because it has been soaking in the bottom.  
The way I carry my squee gee / applicator and scraper is a really good system.  I think you were refering to the Bucket on a Belt system which also carries your squee gee.  My set up is really tight and is close to your body and isnt clunking around with you squee gee flip floping around.    

Willing hands can you leave another message on this page about how, what and why are the benifits of using Cloudy Ammonia in your cleaning solution.  I told you its the best kept window cleaning secreat in Australia and dosent matter how many times I talk of  the results from using it, its always falls on deaf ears ( except for you ).

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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2006, 03:52:04 AM »

Hi every one & JD2  Smiley Wink Cheesy

yes JD2 I have only been in the business a short time and have used 3 types of window cleaning chemicasl

1) spray and wipe cleaner into water
2) Etorre window cleaning solution
3) JD2 Formular " Cloudy Amonia with Dish washing Detergent"

In my way of thinking #3 is the best its realy cheap and works the best. It simply out performs everything els. BUT DONT TELL EVERY ONE its JD secret.

it works so well that I now use the same formular on domestic cleans and construction cleaning (Exit Cleans).
Yesterday I cleaned a 1 bed appartment (Exit clean). How ever I have forgoton to clean a small area and had to go back to re-clean that area.

When I got there the other workers commented on my cleaning that it is one of the cleanest cleans that they have ever seen. And what did I use. You guest it CLOUDY AMONIA _ JD Solution

This solution realy cleans a window and other things and gives them a shine that you have not seen befor.
Just try it for your self. You can alwasy go back to what you have been doing before if you dont like it.

Willinghands   Smiley Wink Cheesy
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2006, 09:01:58 AM »

Thanks Willing hands for your testamonial about Cloudy Ammonia.

Im glad your having the same sucess with this product as I have had for the past 16 years.

I am also glad you down played the results from using Cloudy Ammonia by just saying *works the best * and * it makes thing shiny *...... At least you typed that in bold print.  Honestly if people cant use terms such as, shimmering, pulsating, gleaming, really shinny, amazing, mirror finish they are not using the product correctly. Cheesy

My clients immediatley tell me about the great results that I can achieve and with the concentrated cleaning power lets you become a super window cleaner and I sware that the glass stays cleaner longer and is easier to clean on follow services.

Just remember to place enough dish washing liquid in to make sure you get a really tiny bubble.

As with all chemicals you have to be confident with them and use them as directed.  On the side of the Cloudy Ammonia bottle here in Australia , it recommends that you use a half a cup in your washing and is great for kitchen and laundry bench tops.  So how toxic is it ?  

Therefore I use different concentraions for different jobs.
None for the inside of say a hospital.....a little for lightly soiled glass .....lots for badly soiled glass......and heaps for really badly soiled glass.  The cutting power is amazing.

I personally think that we should just keep it our LITTLE secreat Willing hands, Ive gone blue in the face trying to convince window cleaners in Perth about the vertues of Cloudy Ammonia, the ones who catch on sware by it and the ones that dont I think are brain dead because its such a great product and if they cant ( or cant be bothered trying it ) see the great results they shouldnt be window cleaning as a trade.

As you have probably guessed I am now pushing MY new system : A DIRNK BOTTLE ON A BELT ( dont confuss this with A BUCKET ON A BELT ).

I am having great sucess with this system by carring my cleaning solution around in a drink bottle attached to my belt.  I can clean a single storey home without relying on my bucket,  carry on with ladder work without having to double travel to retrive my bucket, I can go on any roof line without needing my bucket up with me, clean all the inside windows at a largish hospital without moving a bucket once, when your cleaning french styled windows you can have the exact amount of water on your applicator all the time with no bending over to get more solution.  Willing hands once you have set up your system with drink bottle on a belt can you tell me how you find this system ? Roll Eyes  Im not going to mention my leather squee gee , applicator and scraper holder with the stopper at the bottom again, it went straight over everyones head the first time but I will send you a drawing of it through the post Willing hands,  Its a GREAT system.

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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2006, 06:33:48 PM »

Jimmy(JD),what advantage does cloudy ammonia have over the normal household
Stuff,or Parsons ammonia? I`ve had advice to stay clear of the industrial strength stuff
Because of possible damage to the surrounding paintwork and frames etc.Would you
Say the adding of dish soap to it to make the bubbles about one sixteenth of an inch in
Diameter is about right for normal cleaning? Jeepers,,,,,,,it`s more complicated than brain surgery is this!!!!!!

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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2006, 06:13:19 AM »

Hi again Blade runner, sounds like the Parsons or normal household ammonia is the same as Cloudy Ammonia here.

I agree the commercial strenght ammonia is too harsh and smells too much.

What I do is run a cloudy ammonia / dish washing liquid concentrate down the middle of the applicator and the bubbles are tiny and the solution justs sit there and does not run down the glass.  The tiny bubbles makes cutting in the edges and sides really easy and really neat.

Cloudy Ammonia is the best kept window cleaning solution in Australia. Cheesy

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JD2
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2006, 11:29:57 PM »

Blade Runner, is parsons ammonia readily available over there as i was considering bringing some with me just in case
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