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mattstanley
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« on: April 23, 2009, 11:52:59 PM »

I bought a Wagtail Flipper 3 months ago and, whilst I can see it has definite benefits, I can't seem to get on with it - the pad holds very little water and I seem to leave water arcs on the glass, even with a new rubber.

Wagga, could you summarise all your excellent information for me and others as to how you use it and what each of your modifications are designed to do - eg why do you have the pad in a different place than how it's supplied, how do you get round the pad's water holding limitations etc etc.

I hear so many guys say how it's transformed their work, but I just can't sem to make it work (and I want it to work!!!)

Hope you can help.

Thanks in advance - Matt.
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2009, 10:22:10 PM »

Hi Matt, Wagtail has transformed my window cleaning.
One tool does it all.
The Flipper has a combined pad/blade and changes from one mode to the other instantly.
Because of the swivel, I no longer have tennis elbow.
Pole-work became a serious possibility because of the swivel and combined pad.
The angle when on a pole occurs almost automatically so you can reach windows you never thought possible before.
The speed you can achieve with the pole and Wagtail make it feasable instead of it being quicker with ladders.
The pad does not hold a lot of water but this is why I only use pull top bottles and wet the pad as and when it requires it instead of trying to run around with a bucket all the time.
Somtimes I squirt water onto patio doors or shop windows direct from the bottle.
I only use about 6 litres a day. Bottle goes on belt.
I use pad the other way round on pole wagtail because it's easier to work with once used to it.
It doesn't foul the lower edge of window on finishing and you can see what the blade is doing better.
Why you are getting arcs from the blade I don't know. I can get it myself, but then used to get it with conventional blade. Try the dogearing and make sure the blade is streight.
I use a BOAB. The Flipper goes in the bit where the conventional mop would usually go. Cut a slot in it to accommodate the yellow disc.
I use a new type of dog-earing so that I hardly have to detail even when using the pole.
I use the pole for 90% of my work now and have picked up more work.
The speed that can be achieved with the Wagtail is great.
It is VERY light on the end of my 18' pole.
I am getting the best results Iv'e ever had.
Try useing W5 from Lidl. It's the best Iv'e ever used and seems to generate the least streaks.
With a Wagtail you get an extra 3" of reach which actually makes a big difference.
I can detail the top edge of window POLE VERSION ONLY with the detailing tool I attached so I don't have to change tools all the time.

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2009, 10:32:09 PM »

Hi Wagga
Thanks for that.
Do you use the Wagtail mop pad, or do you cut down a more traditonal one?  Still can't quite see why you have the pad the other way round - will have to try it myself and see what happens.
Will try the new style dog-earing this coming week.
When using it on a pole, do you swivel down the glass or pull straight down?  And what size Wagtail are you using?  12"?
Sorry to go on a bit.
Thanks again.
Matt.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2009, 11:00:42 PM »

Hi Matt, your not going on at all it's me!
I have tried using conventional cut up mop but with flipper it's too thick to flip properly.
12" Domestic 16" Shops.
Flipper pads are normal way around for SHORT POLE on shops and hand held 12".
The reason I have mop other way on pole version is that it's easier to flip.
You can see what your doing better from ground.
The pad will not foul the sill/lower edge of window thus squeezing out soap back onto window.
Where do you live? a demo speaks a thousand words!
ps I can do the swivel bit but mostly do strait pulls.
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 11:21:37 PM »

Hi Wagga
Sorry not been on for a few days.
Thanks for the feedback.
Have done the new dog-earing method on my Wagtail and it's pretty good - still can't get out of the habit of detailing but this will come I guess.
I live in Ramsgate, Kent so it would be a bit of a trek up to get a demo from you I'm afraid.
Hope to try the Wagtail on a pole soon so will let you know how I get on.
Ok to ask you any questions if I get stuck?
Thanks.
matt.
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 12:28:52 AM »

I'm in trials using the porcupine pad - so far so good!
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 09:27:11 PM »

Is that a cut-down Ettore Porcupine?
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 09:36:53 PM »

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Hi Wagga
Sorry not been on for a few days.
Thanks for the feedback.
Have done the new dog-earing method on my Wagtail and it's pretty good - still can't get out of the habit of detailing but this will come I guess.
I live in Ramsgate, Kent so it would be a bit of a trek up to get a demo from you I'm afraid.
Hope to try the Wagtail on a pole soon so will let you know how I get on.
Ok to ask you any questions if I get stuck?
Thanks.
matt.

Hi, I used to live near East Grinstead (Cowden to be precise) Yes, the dog-earing will take time to get used to. I still try to detail somtimes. Of course you will still need to mop up a bit here and there.
Please feel free to ask as many questions as you like.
Wagga.



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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2009, 10:01:38 PM »

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I'm in trials using the porcupine pad - so far so good!

Hi Karl, Iv'e tried a cut down porcupine. If it's for better water retention then it works but the flipping action is impaired. As for water retention, thats why I use a bottle on a belt so I wet the pad often as and when required intead of relying on water retention to get me back to the bucket on the other side of the house!
If you are not using the flipper version then Wagtail do a brilliant microfibre mop.

Anyway, all the best Karl, hope everything works out for you,
Wagga
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2009, 12:21:37 AM »

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Is that a cut-down Ettore Porcupine?

Yep, just use an old one that the ends have worn. Wagga is right - it does impair 'closing out', but if you use it double fold, the weight of it will let it drop out of the way when finishing horizontal. I have just managed to get a rougher thinner pad, so I'll give that a try next week.

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Try useing W5 from Lidl. It's the best Iv'e ever used and seems to generate the least streaks.

Isn't that a floor cleaner?
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2009, 01:24:35 AM »

they do the whole range W5.washing up liquid, floor cleaner, toilet, plug in smelly etc. they have a lidl up near Pollenca...
i used it before i converted wfp, i liked it, nice slip and seemed to stayed at the top until i scrimmed up. which i liked on larger windows. Cussons morning fresh Oxygen (its blue) is better IMO used 3 or 4 bottles.

after writing all this, i just realised you use 'proper' stuff... gg3/4 etc   Wink
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2009, 12:13:22 AM »

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they do the whole range W5.washing up liquid, floor cleaner, toilet, plug in smelly etc. they have a lidl up near Pollenca...
i used it before i converted wfp, i liked it, nice slip and seemed to stayed at the top until i scrimmed up. which i liked on larger windows. Cussons morning fresh Oxygen (its blue) is better IMO used 3 or 4 bottles.

after writing all this, i just realised you use 'proper' stuff... gg3/4 etc   Wink

The Lidl I've been in my way (Palma Nova) have an aerosol W5 window cleaner, which I wasn't tempted to buy. Are you using that one?
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