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« on: March 23, 2007, 09:18:26 PM »

Hi Everyone,
   I have a feeling that the soap debate in my ealier post has been flogged to death so we'll move on.
How about detailing with a pole?  Yes, it's mainly that troublesome top-edge I know.
Does anyone use the Unger Clamp? I was under the impression that you had to screw it onto the pole which takes too long. Can you just whack it on like you do with the Visa Versa or backflip?
Of course there is the old option of wrapping your scrim around pole each time.
Personally, I use an old Wagtail handle with blade removed of course, and a pre-wrapped micro-fibre or similar cloth on the end held on with elastic band.
It's simple it's fast and it lives, ready for action in a leather tool holder which I got at No Frills for a couple of quid. There's a whole range of them there for hammers etc but some of them suit our purposes too.
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2007, 10:13:08 PM »

Yep - the Unger clamp just whacks on. I find it great with a microfiber, just turn it round when it gets too damp.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2007, 10:27:32 PM »

There is a painters tool that they use for painting corners with a pole, it looks kind of like a plasterers corner trowel
It just slips on to the top of the pole and drape yor scrim,chamois or microfibre over it
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 02:36:58 PM »

any idea what the name of it is macroomboy?
just starting to get into my pole work in the last month or so really. starting to come across these probs, sills, detailing properly, etc. doing ok though(cos of the advice on this forum mainly).
bin 14 months trad on the ladders but got a few jobs that are pole only now. do you charge a bit more for the pole only jobs?? or same as norm?....
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2007, 11:34:40 PM »

"Internal corner trowel".
I wouldn't go that route - if your scrim bares metal it will scratch the window. The Unger clamp will do everything these can do.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2007, 12:22:56 AM »

cheers karl, Smiley
also spotted a couple of other devices, whilst looking through the online stores, which i'll look into tomorrow.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2007, 12:44:26 AM »

karl, the painters tool only looks like a trowel its made of plastic with a soft pad on each side

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2007, 01:00:52 AM »

Frosty, the best tool ive ever found for pole work is a ledger, it makes those deep sills easier to do and you dont have to stand as far back from the window
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2007, 08:22:32 AM »

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I see what you mean, I have the metal one for when plastering corners. Not seen this one for painters! Can't see how it wouldn't smudge though, having full surface contact. I only use a forefinger, this can be mimicked in the Unger clamp.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2007, 08:06:40 PM »

Karl,
      Thanks for all your input on the Unger Clamp. Must try one somtime.
My pole-work is going great these days but youv'e got to be fiairly cofident your'e doing a good job. If it wasn't for the detailing it would be even faster but there you go.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2007, 11:14:39 PM »

hard graft innit!! certainly know you've done a days work at the end!
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2007, 05:05:55 PM »

A quicker way is to keep a small elastic hair band in your pocket.

Scrunch the cloth up into a ball and just put it over the end of the pole with the elastic band.

I use a pole a lot, I thought of stitching the elastic band into a fold on the corner of the cloth. (Must get round to trying that)


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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2007, 07:04:45 PM »

sounds like a good idea Mark. I'm always on the lookout for new ideas and the elastic in the corner sounds interesting.  I use a plastic handle with a pointed end which slaps directly onto my pole. The cloth is fixed with elastic bands. currently im working on a system which stays on the pole at the same time as my wagtail but it looks impossible.

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2007, 08:08:55 PM »

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A quicker way is to keep a small elastic hair band in your pocket.

Scrunch the cloth up into a ball and just put it over the end of the pole with the elastic band.

I use a pole a lot, I thought of stitching the elastic band into a fold on the corner of the cloth. (Must get round to trying that)



I've been that route before. Its a lot of faffing & the windows I get, usually the frame stops you getting into the damp part. I do always carry elastic bands, but not used them for ages due to poor results. I think its better to Sörbo the windows without detailling after or not touch the top edge.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2007, 03:36:49 PM »

I use the unger clamp and it is brilliant. I sometimes also use my 4" unger scraper with the safety cover on with a micro fibre cloth draped over the top, great to get right into corners.
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2007, 03:58:04 PM »

To be honest, most of the time I'm lazy and just wrap a microfibre cloth over and around the end cone, without the elastic band.
Though sometimes it does fall off. Hence why I thought of stitching the elastic band to the cloth to avoid the faff.

Like Karlos says though, better not to touch the top edge and frames in the first place when applicating.

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2007, 07:42:23 PM »

like I said before, I use an old wagtail handle which is pointed at the end. It's pre-wrapped with cloth and securedwith elastic band. I pole window then bring it down, whip off wagtail and whack on detailing tool then replace in it's own holster. It saves time over the scrim over the cone and is more accurate. I have to agree with the earlier post on here that you can mess it up by detailing. Most of the time I just detail the top edge, thats generally the hardest to get right.
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2007, 05:59:16 PM »

Hi Everyone,
Reckon Iv'e cracked it with the pole and detailing!
Yet another mod to Wagtail. Lol.
All I did was to use a Jubilee clip to fix an angled piece of metal (plastic would be better i know, but for now...)
to rear of Wagtail. Trial and error will tell you correct position. Wrap cloth onto it and fix with elastic band.
There it stays and only needs Wagtail to be rotated to be used. Of course cloth needs re-wrapping here and there when tip gets wet. Seems to work in most situations but will be trialing it properly tommorrow.
It realy will save a lot of time because from now on, no matter what the angle etc I can do most windows IN ONE without bringing the pole down. Been testing it on my own house and can't see any flaws apart from the pad wetting the detailing cloth somtimes. Don't have it too wet is maybe the answer.
I asked my son how I could post pics on here but he says my computer won't do it! This sort of thing realy does need pics.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2007, 08:01:17 PM »

Yep, works a treat. Had a good couple of days window cleaning. After a few adjustments on my combined wagtail/detailing tool, it realy does work in most situations. Those it does't I just don't detail but these aren't that often. Saves so much time. I'm getting so good at using the pole with good results that I'm getting more confident. It's been a good couple of days to test this as the sun has been very low and shining constantly. Shows up everything.

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2007, 10:49:27 PM »

Sounds interesting, wish I could see it to understand exactly what you mean by 'angled piece of metal to rear of wagtail'.

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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2007, 05:24:45 PM »

Hi again Mark,
I'm getting realy frustrated with not being able to post pictures. Need a new digital camera for a start.
Anyway. When I started this thread, I got to thinking about how great it would be to be able to pole a window then detail it without bringing it down again.
To somhow fix the detailing tool to the Wagtail.
You see, its only possible to do this with a watail since the vice-versa etc has blade on one side and the mop on the other, so in a situation like you posted in shop very narrow etc, you have to 1 set angle to apply solutiion 2 lower pole, reset tool to get correct angle to blade off 3 lower pole remove tool place detailing device onto pole to detail.
It's a lot of faffing about. With the Wagtail all you do is flick the wet applicator pad into position, wash window, flick pad out of way and blade all the time using the same pole angle. It's realy fast but now I could do it even faster because of detailing mod. Though it won't work in some extreme situations, it does most of the time. some of the speeds Iv'e been able to achieve amazed even me.
If youv'e ever seen a watail (you can view it on thier website) the rear of the handle/grip is never in use so I figured that if I somhow bolted a sort of detailing tool to this redundant side of grip then I could detail without lowering pole until moving on or re-wrapping the cloth attached to it by elastic band. You can't use the tip too often because it gets wet of course,so you quickly re-wrap. Anyway, all I used to start with was a piece of metal about 4 of 5 inches long and about half an inch wide with a bend at one end. It's attached to grip with a jubilee clip. Iv'e been testing this out for over a week now and in the main it realy does work. There are some situations it won't, but for these I either don't detail on that particular window or use the old method but for 80% of the time, it works a treat.
Had a great day today. Got so good with pole that I have  hardly used my ladders at all for over a week.
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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2007, 06:16:31 PM »

Sen me an email and I'll post them for you.

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2007, 08:41:33 PM »

Further mod to Watail.
Have sprung-loaded the blade so it don't slop about but will still swivel easy.
Used two automotive ties.
Drill two small holes at each end of blade.
Attach ties.
loop ties back to handle and secure with the jubilee clips.
Ties act as a spring and keep blade always level so it dont foul roof line or window recess as much.
Makes it eaier and faster to use too, especially when using fixed detailing tool.
I'm starting to get used to it now and it realy works in most situations. Only detail top edge normally though.
Will try to post pics soon.
Chris
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