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« on: August 10, 2010, 04:25:14 PM » |
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was speaking to a roofer today who had been on a helth an safety course an he sed that u had to be footed every time u are up a ladder is that the case?  ?? |
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 04:58:17 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 06:29:46 PM » |
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ie if you cannot gain access without going over a flat roof ? |
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2010, 08:16:16 PM » |
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was speaking to a roofer today who had been on a helth an safety course an he sed that u had to be footed every time u are up a ladder is that the case? ?? ..or have a safety device in place. |
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2010, 08:18:21 PM » |
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One thing I was surprised to learn on the HSE course is that economics plays a part. So if you have a ladder & don't have the money to buy a wfp system - then ladders are perfectly fine for the job. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 08:31:03 PM » |
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they are not banned and do not have to be footed although for a roofer that would be the case as 9 out of ten times he needs to get of the ladder. If they could not be used then why did the H&S department from my local council fund a ladder safety course for my employee? a mental risk assessment must be carried out though before every ladder job, and if the ground conditions are not suitable and you assess the risk to require footing or a safety device being fitted then so be it. Or something along they lines and as karlos says it has to be cost effective as well when carrying out your risk assessment
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2010, 10:13:58 PM » |
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i came across a roofer who had been forced to do window frame repainting due to this recession. he told me all sorts of new ladder rules were now in force .
at the time i just thought it was jealousy or sour grapes on his part
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2010, 10:36:43 PM » |
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One thing I was surprised to learn on the HSE course is that economics plays a part. So if you have a ladder & don't have the money to buy a wfp system - then ladders are perfectly fine for the job. True on the economics side of things,.. but if you've been trading over 12 months and can't afford a backpack/trolley setup then you're doing something seriously wrong. Roofers don't have an alternative in many situations (scaffolding is not always "practicable" for smaller jobs),.. window cleaners have WFP which works perfectly well in 99% of situations. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 07:26:41 PM » |
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Ive done one of these courses on my old job, they said if your up a ladder any longer than 5 mins it should be secured to a wall using a eye bolt and rawl plug the ratchet strap ladders to it then your suppose to be harnessed up to the eyeballs and attached to the ladders, but as a tempory work station you should be ok,
they told me a story about how some of these regulations were changed, when a health and safety offcial had a new arial fitted and they guy who fitted secured his ladder every time he went up it including tacking the cable to the wall all the way along his house ! so he had a 10mm hole every 6-7ft all the way along his house the guy was peeved at all the holes so changed to regs to use the ladders for 5 mins without securing them,
so Id say your ok as long as you dont take ages up the ladder,
Liam
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2010, 11:34:49 PM » |
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Ladders don't kill people, idiots do!
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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2010, 08:55:06 PM » |
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the non use of ladders is a load of poop
it all comes down to risk assesments
when working on building sites etc the paperwork side and heath and safety is policed more stringently than a windy working in the street
have the hse ever stopped you !!
ladders are not banned but the hse are looking for three points of contact ie two feet and 1 hand
and look for a alternative safer method of access where ever possible
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2010, 11:56:26 PM » |
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On my window cleaning NVQII I was informed you have to put in place all possible methods of preventing an incident. If that means a ladder need to be footed then so be it. If there is no one there to foot the ladder then its not possible to have it footed. But you have to follow the customers H&S SOP's.
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