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« on: April 19, 2009, 03:05:51 AM »

just thought i would start a new post on this subject, ok i tried your advice on using microfibres to wipe the edges first after using the applicator, and it did cut out a lot of the detailing so happy days Grin i havent dog eared my squeegies yet but will do, and yes i go through less scrims in a day because i detail less but how does it save time as i am still running the microfibre round the edges at the start of the clean as opposed to at the end of the the clean
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2009, 03:48:04 AM »

i havent dog eared my squeegies yet but will do,
Trust me, Stu - dog-earring is the canine's cojones. Combined with using a window-cleaning detergent, and a not-wet-but-barely-moist applicator, I really don't believe you can get faster.

and yes i go through less scrims in a day because i detail less but how does it save time as i am still running the microfibre round the edges at the start of the clean as opposed to at the end of the the clean
A quick beast round one side, the top, and then the other side with a moist microfibre which picks up everything has got to be much faster than going sort-of-delicately round the frame a couple of times with a scrim which needs attention every so often.

Get rid of the scrims for microfibres. Period. Once you're on dog-earring you'll hardly need to detail - promise.

The advice I gave a while ago to one guy about detailing before blading with a moist sill-cloth still stands, but I don't think he was using microfibres.

Trust me, I use one type of microfibre as a sill-cloth and a different one to polish. The sill-cloth gets used, but has to be wrung out when it gets too wet, and the polishing cloth has hardly been used at the end of the day unless there's been some lead-work. If you use a scrim to wipe a sill it normally takes a couple of goings over at least. Using your applicator or the sill-cloth when using GG3 means one wipe and on to the next frame, because GG3 doesn't produce suds. Not much per window, but over a day . . .

How about whenever the next SLWCN meet gets organised, we have a "master-class" on the benefits of microfibres and dog-earring?

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2009, 10:52:34 PM »

The traditional way of dog-earing is helpful but doesn't quite do the job. If you look closely at the pic you will see the new technique of both bending forward and also UPWARD toward the tip of the rubber.
This makes an incredible difference and virtually eliminates detailing alltogether. Granted it weakens the ends a bit but it's worth the risk of breakage as the extra profit from speed will more than make up for it.
Don't over-do it. A bit of trial and error will do it.










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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 11:12:55 PM »

thanks davie
thanks wagga i looked at the pic and threw a hacksaw in the van and i will give it a try tomorrow
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 12:27:31 AM »

Get rid of scrims - are you off your rocker!!!!  Microfibre has it's uses, but I still luv me scrim.

I don't bother dogearing channels above 14", it doesn't seem to help & rubber wear is really excessive.

Wagga - When you use the flipper pad, doesn't it push the dogear out again?
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2009, 08:07:20 PM »

Hi Karl, I use this new dogearing on all my gear up to 16" channel. I tried the 16 for a while without it but eventually did it and it made quite a difference. The wear is not so excessive as to make it impractical.
The pad does not push the bent parts of the blade back again as they are not THAT weak. You must be careful where you make the cut. The main idea of this type of dogearing is the UPWARD bend toward the tips of the rubber with only a very slight bend FORWARDS. Look at the pic very carfully and enlarge it. This blade works almost perfectly and I hardly have to detail at all on ANY type of window. The blade in the pic is 12". The whole idea of dogearing is to prevent the tips of the rubber blade floating over the very  thin rubber seals on modern glazing. With this system it does just that. If it's not working for you then youv'e got the adjustment wrong.
It will work on stainless channels also and of course will be a lot stronger.
WAGTAIL have released a new design which incorporates a stainless channel, which incidentally, will fit BOAB's (Though with the flipper you can just put the whole thing in where the trad mop would usually go)
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2009, 09:00:34 PM »

wears the pic
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2009, 09:49:39 PM »

hi
could someone tell me how to change the rubber on the wagtail.
Notice in the middle of channel is a punch mark do you bend channel out to release rubber? not tried yet dont want to break it any advice please
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2009, 10:08:12 PM »

Thanks for your findings Wagga. No, I haven't done it on the w'tails yet - I was letting you do the "guinea" work  Grin

Owen13 - Its a 3 handed job. Soap & wet the channel up really well & then remove/replace. But give it a real good tug - it comes out easier on one side than the other. The new W'tails have a screw so this won't be a problem anymore.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2009, 10:23:32 PM »

thanks karl
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2009, 10:32:54 PM »

right i used a dog eared squeeie today, using a green unger microfibre to wipe round while still wet and then cleaning the window and used a scrim for any missed bits and the microfibre for the sills . oh and still using fairy, and it worked a treat Grin
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2009, 11:27:12 PM »

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wears the pic

See Stu - it's not just me! Can you do the needful and send me whatever wagga put up as a picture? Thanks pal.

The new W'tails have a screw so this won't be a problem anymore.
Sods - I bought two from WindowCleaningWarehouse recently and they don't have screws!
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 12:34:13 AM »

davie i replied on the wrong post you have mail
and thanks for the tips Wink
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2009, 01:01:31 AM »

davie i replied on the wrong post you have mail
Got that - thanks lots!

and thanks for the tips
Anytime - but I now make a solemn promise that I shall not rest until you converse with your inner self, recognise that you need help, gather up your courage, stand up at the next meeting, and say "My name is Stuart, and I use F***y" 

You'll feel much better when you do - I know I did !
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2009, 01:10:21 AM »

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davie i replied on the wrong post you have mail
Got that - thanks lots!

and thanks for the tips
Anytime - but I now make a solemn promise that I shall not rest until you converse with your inner self, recognise that you need help, gather up your courage, stand up at the next meeting, and say "My name is Stuart, and I use F***y" 

You'll feel much better when you do - I know I did !
Grin Grin Grin Grin
ive been looking for a small bottle of gg3 just to try Roll Eyes think cleantech do one for around the tenner mark, but they dont do the wee measuring thing Cry i read another post on here and nearly bought a bottle of dishwashing liquid tonight to try for dishwashers as you stated they have no suds so surely does the same job Grin
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 01:46:02 AM »

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The new W'tails have a screw so this won't be a problem anymore.
Sods - I bought two from WindowCleaningWarehouse recently and they don't have screws!

I know Davie - you & me both. But you could always drill the hole & use your own screw.
Just ordered the new Slimline flippers. Now waiting for the slimline scrapers!
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2009, 09:44:37 PM »

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hi
could someone tell me how to change the rubber on the wagtail.
Notice in the middle of channel is a punch mark do you bend channel out to release rubber? not tried yet dont want to break it any advice please

Just use the screwdriver to ease it up a little. If it becomes too loose, then just re-punch it again.
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2009, 09:46:23 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2009, 10:11:35 PM »

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you have to "log on to the site"  to be able to see it.

wagga - pootwo and me must have been going out with the same woman, cos I'm jinxed as well. I'm definitely logged in, but I can't see any photos for some reason. If I'm stuck, Stu sends me a copy of the file and it opens no problem, but that's an awfully long-winded way of doing it.
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you have to "log on to the site"  to be able to see it.

wagga - pootwo and me must have been going out with the same woman, cos I'm jinxed as well. I'm definitely logged in, but I can't see any photos for some reason. If I'm stuck, Stu sends me a copy of the file and it opens no problem, but that's an awfully long-winded way of doing it.
its ok invoice for being your pa, is in the post Grin
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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2009, 10:42:09 PM »

So YOU'RE my Dad! These folk at the Salvation Army are useless.  Shocked

GOTCHA!
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2009, 02:37:22 PM »



Just use the screwdriver to ease it up a little. If it becomes too loose, then just re-punch it again.
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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2009, 07:12:58 PM »

Instead of cutting, i just did like on the picture... idosen't break or bend back.
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2009, 10:41:56 AM »

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The traditional way of dog-earing is helpful but doesn't quite do the job. If you look closely at the pic you will see the new technique of both bending forward and also UPWARD toward the tip of the rubber.
This makes an incredible difference and virtually eliminates detailing alltogether. Granted it weakens the ends a bit but it's worth the risk of breakage as the extra profit from speed will more than make up for it.
Don't over-do it. A bit of trial and error will do it.

Sometimes it looks like the cut metal is bent away from the rubber, and sometimes it looks like it is bent in towards the rubber.


Has no one tried cutting a small corner out the end of the rubber? You want the new edge to be touching the very edge of the glass when the squeegee is pushed into the side.  I would say better than dog-earring.

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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2009, 08:15:18 PM »

Hi Peter, thanks for the tip. I will certainly try it.
With reference to the "new type of dog-earing", when I cut the blade at both ends. it is ALWAYS bent forward slightly and UPWARDS. It's the upward bend that is the most effective and I can promise that it works exceptionally well. In fact I can't go back to an un-modified blade as the detailing becomes a issue again.
However, as I said I will have a go at your suggestion and give it a good trial.
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